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#4108 - 05/09/18 02:40 AM C5 DEAD with electrical issues  
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Hi all – this is my first Post (anywhere …..Ever!) So please feel free to correct any errors I may make or question anything that I’ve written that’s not clear.
I live ‘Over the Pond’ and have recently retired. I’ve wanted a Corvette for the last 40 years (!) so I ‘bit the bullet’ and have purchased a 1998 C5. She had been sat on blocks in a farm building for the last 8yrs, the owner hoping it would go up in value. They eventually sold it to a local car dealer and that’s where I got her from. I wanted the “American” version rather than the “Euro-Vette” usually seen over here. So, I believe it’s basically stock, and only has mods to the rear turn indicators and an added rear ‘fog light’ in order to meet UK Regulations. I had her checked out/ serviced at TopCats Racing (one of only a couple of Corvette Specialist over here) and had an amazing time driving her last year. But, it ended with a few strange electrical issues popping up. Having read through the forums first, I already trying to solve my own problems, but need some guidance please.
So before I go on and post an explanation (with the sequence of events and all the codes I’ve documented), could someone tell me if it’s ok to seek advice here, and if I’m doing it right please.

I feel a little guilty just popping up out of the blue, begging for help! (Plus I don’t want to breach any site rules).

Regards
Stuart
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#4109 - 05/10/18 05:03 PM Re: C5 DEAD with electrical issues [Re: STU36R]  
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Hi Stuart

The whole reason we started a Corvette forum way back in 1994 was to allow those who own Corvettes a place to say what their problems are with the model year Corvette and
If any of our teammates have answers for those problems

So yes, we will try and be nice to you even though your "over the pond" bana but I like that there are true Corvette lovers over there as we hate English cars bana2

Yes the more info you provide will help us steer you to the right path

Keep in mind 1997 and 1998 were a brew of their own as in 1999 many changes were made including electronic changes as even the PCM design changed from 1999

Being all the time this C5 has sat in farm keep in mind animals love to eat wiring and also dirt or moisture getting into wiring connects

So give us all the information and all DTCs (error codes) and your fine doing what this Corvette forum is


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#4115 - 05/27/18 02:19 AM Re: C5 DEAD with electrical issues [Re: teamzr1]  
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Firstly my apologies for the delay with a reply, a ‘medical issue’ put me on my back in hospital for a while, but it will take a lot more than that to keep me away from my vet !
I’m extremely grateful for the reply and the offer to help provide any advice about what’s happening with my girl (even my neighbours are complaining…. they say they miss the sound of that V8 roar in the morning when she starts!). Below is a status of how things developed and where I am with things right now.

Last year whenever I ran over a large pot whole or speed bump it triggered either a “Low fuel” DIC warning with the gauge dropped to zero, or a “Traction control” warning and the orange dash light illuminated. The codes were easily cleared and all quickly seemed well again. Towards the end of the year I had a couple of instanced when after stopping (after a faultless run) for coffee, fuel or shopping etc. when I got back in, she reluctantly started, with “ Reduced power “. After running through the codes and clearing everything it was back to full power and I could make it home. This became more regular to the point where every journey was a major issue and things couldn’t continue like that. So with Low fuel, traction control, service vehicle soon, and reduced power warnings I read all I could about potential vet problems. I’ve read a lot about the cars earthling issues, so I got stuck in and have removed /cleaned/ re greased G101, G102, and G401, G201 earth connectors / blocks so far. Testing after I finished each one – with no benefits, until after the last one (G201) when she started! I let it run for a few mins and all seemed ok. I turned off and went to make that celebratory cup of coffee, however on returning to restart her, I got the same issues as before. (turns over but won’t fire), with the same DIC warnings. That got me thinking - why start one time and not the next,…all I did was spin the ignition key – could the ignitions electrical switch be part of the issue?? So not sure if I should delve into that one next? Or if it’s clouding over other bigger issues. Unfortunately it will soon be “summer” over here and I fear I’m going to miss it (I think it’s on June the 27th this year !) I’m keen to get her up and running, so ANY feedback would be very gratefully received.

Codes
DIC
‘Service Vehicle Soon’ ‘Low Fuel’ ‘Service ABS’ ‘Service Traction System’ ‘Reduced Engine Power’
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10 PCM
P1518 H C PCM to TAC Module Serial Data Circuit
28 TCS
C1226 H LF Excessive Wheel Speed Variation
C1225 H RF Excessive Wheel Speed Variation
C1276 H Delivered Torque Signal CKT Malfunction
U1255 H C Generic Loss Communications
38 RTD No Comms
40 BCM
B0432 H C Rear Defogger Relay Circuit
99 HVAC
B0332 h Outside Air Temp Sensor Short to GND
B0337 h Inside Air Temp Sensor Short to GND
Bo361 h Left Actuator Feedback Short to GND
B0365h Right Actuator Feedback Short to GND
A0 – LDCM
B2282 h Battery #1 Fault
B2284h Battery #2 Fault
B2264h
U1096h Loss of Communications with IPC
A1-RDCM
B2283h Battery #1 Fault
B2285h Battery #2 Fault
U1096 h Loss of Communications with IPC
A6-SCM
B0851h Battery 1 Out of Range
B0-RFA
U1096h Loss of Communication with IPC
U1016h Loss of Communication with PCM
C2120h TPM System Malfunction (No Sensors Received)

Grateful for any assistance or advice.
Regards
Stuart
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#4116 - 05/27/18 07:47 AM Re: C5 DEAD with electrical issues [Re: STU36R]  
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Hi Stuart

You would be better off if you got a OBD-II scanner that works on a laptop that has MSwindows
You can buy one like at Amazon for less then $100 as that would be far more useful and more information then using the DIC of C5.

Review all ground points in this post

C5 Ground locations

You state problem began when hitting a hard bump, so it sounds like something got loose.

You need to be sure the battery cables ( at both ends of each) and it's posts are clean and tight correctly, including the one right below battery and the flat braided on on back of left side of engine.

Are you sure the battery is good ?, a weak cell would cause all kinds of odd problems, with engine at idle the volts gauge in dash should be showing 14 plus volts.

As I mentioned model years 1997 and 8 are odd as 1999 had many changes

Depending if your 1998 was made early or late in build would have changes, one is the EBCM controller for ABS/TC, etc
It could be located in front if late build, if not then it is in the back end, would have several brake lines attached to it

I would check to see if the wiring connector is firmly on, else look for any wiring damage.

It could be the wiring connector for it is loose or a wire got pinched.

Look at the 2 posts in this C5 techie sections here for both fuse panels
For the engine one make sure the 12 volt wire on side of panel is firmly connected, that is main 12 volts for controllers
Make sure no fuses are blown.

In the hatch of passenger floor is where other fuse panel is but also the BCM, most wiring and the car's Star bus network where all the controllers connect together
I would check fuse panel, all connectors, including the ones for the network are firmly connected and that no animal has eaten wires

The PCM is behind the right front inner fender facing firewall, there is a hatch space that allows part of that to come off and there PCM is plus the main wiring loom

PCM has 2 80 pin connectors, assure connect pins are clean and connector tight.
Check wiring there for a animal eating wires or in past the battery leaked acid and got onto the PCM or wiring.

Check wiring at the starter, there is a 12 volt wire, if loose would cause odd voltage issues.

Maybe with someone else with key on, engine off is one of you move or tug connectors and other person see if anything odd shows up


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#4117 - 05/28/18 06:41 AM Re: C5 DEAD with electrical issues [Re: STU36R]  
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Awesome … thank you ! The battery was the first thing I replaced when I got her, so it's just over 12mths old - however I've not checked the other end of the battery cables. I keep coming across the 'PCM' when trying to trace through and de cypher the wiring diagram I have (not REALLY sure if its the right one for my year though) However, now I know where to find the PCM I'll check its mountings and make a close inspection of the connections. All the other things you mention make a lot of sense, so I can get stuck into some methodical investigation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but knowing where to start was my big problem. I apologise if I keep saying it, but I'm really grateful for the help - I've just placed my order for an OBDII - Scanner so will feedback any findings and will keep reading old posts, in case I find anything else that's relevant.

Regards

Stuart

#4118 - 05/28/18 07:02 AM Re: C5 DEAD with electrical issues [Re: STU36R]  
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Only use wiring pinouts for 1997-98, other years use different PCM and pinout

1998 PCM wiring, 2 80 pin connectors, one is red, the other is blue, labeled on side of connectors

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1998 PCM
Pin Wire Color Function RED Connector
1 Not Used
2 Not Used
3 Not Used
4 BRN/WHT Camshaft Position Sensor
5 Not Used
6 Not Used
7 YEL VSS Signal return
8 Not used
9 PNK/BLK Injector #3 Control
10 Not Used
11 Not Used
12 LT BLU/BLK Injector #4 Control
13 PPL/WHT Ignition #2 Control
14 DK GRN A/C Status
15 BLK/WHT Injector #5 Control
16 Not used
17 Not used
18 YEL/BLK Injector #6 Control
19 Not used
20 Not used
21 PPL IAT Sensor Ground
22 DK BLU Transmission Range Signal B
23 LT GRN/BLK Injector #2 Control
24 BLK/WHT Sensor Ground Jumper
25 PNK Transmission Range Signal A
26 BLK/WHT PRND A
27 RED/BLK Injector #7 Control
28 Not used
29 Not used
30 DK/BLU REAL TIME DAMPING
31 DK BLU/WHT Injector #8 Control
32 WHT PRND P
33 BLK Injector #1 Control
34 GRY or WHT Skip Shift Solenoid (M6), or 3-2 Shift Solenoid (A/T)
35 LT GRN 1-2 Shift Solenoid
36 Not Used
37 BRN/WHT MIL Control
38 Not used
39 DK GRN/WHT A/C Clutch Relay Control
40 WHT or YEL/BLK Skip Shift Lamp Control (M/T) or 2-3 Shift Solenoid (A/T)
41 PNK/WHT PCM CHASSIS PITCH OUTPUT
42 LT/GRN Reverse Inhibit Solenoid Control
43 DK/GRN Cooling Fan relay #1 Control
44 BLUE/WHT Crankshaft Position Sensor Input
45 DK GRN/WHT EVAP Canister Purge Valve Control
46 ORN/BLK DESIRED TORQUE
47 DK GRN/WHT A/C Request Signal
48 YEL MAF Signal
49 PPL Ignition #1 Control
50 Not Used
51 Not Used
52 RED/WHT Ignition #8 Control
53 RED Ignition #7 Control
54 DK GRN/WHT Ignition #6 Control
55 DK GRN/WHT VSS Output Signal
56 DK GRN Ignition #5 Control
57 LT BLU/WHT Ignition #4 Control
58 LT BLU Ignition #3 Control
59 BRN/WHT Ignition Control Reference Low Bank 2
60 BRN Ignition Control Reference Low Bank 1
61 RED Transmission Range Signal C
62 Not Used
63 BLK A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Ground
64 BLK ENGINE OIL PRESSURE GROUND
65 GRY PRND C
66 YEL PRND B
67 Not used
68 GRY CLUTCH SWITCH SIGNAL
69 BRN EVAP PURGE SWITCH SIGNAL
70 Not used
71 PPL VSS Signal Low
72 BLK/WHT PCM Ground
73 GRY EXTENDED TRAVEL BRAKE SWITCH SIGNAL
74 Not used
75 GRY Left and Right Fuel Tank Sensor Ground
76 BLK/WHT PCM Ground
77 PPL TCC/Brake Switch Signal
78 Not used
79 Not used
80 Not used

1998 PCM
Pin Wire Color Function Blue Connector
1 TAN HO2S Signal Low Bank 2 Sensor 2
2 TAN/WHT HO2S Signal Low Bank 1 Sensor 2
3
4 RED Camshaft Position Sensor B+ Supply
5 TAN HO2S Signal Low Bank 2 Sensor 1
6 TAN/WHT HO2S Signal Low Bank 1 Sensor 1
7 RED/BLK A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor Signal
8 TAN IAT Sensor Signal
9 Not used
10 DK BLU LEFT Fuel Level Sensor Signal
11 GRY GEN F TERMINAL
12 LT BLU RIGHT LEVEL SENSOR TANK SIGNAL
13 YEL/BLK Transmission Fluid Temperature Signal
14 ORN/BLK Transmission Fluid Temperature Ground
15 Not used
16 Not used
17 Not used
18 Not used
19 PNK PCM Ignition 1 Feed
20 ORN PCM Battery Feed
21 BLK/WHT PCM Ground
22 YEL/BLK Crankshaft Position Sensor Ground
23 Not used
24 BLK/WHT Sensor Ground Jumper
25 BRN ECT Sensor Ground
26 ORN/BLK MAP Sensor Ground
27 Not used
28 DRK BLU Engine Cooling Fan Relay #2 and #3 Control
29 Not used
30 BRN AIR Pump Relay Control
31 PPL AIR Solenoid Relay Control
32 TAN/BLK TCC Enable Control
33 BRN TCC (PWM) Solenoid Valve Control
34 Not used
35 WHT Engine Speed 9TACH)) Output Signal
36 LT BLU/WHT Transmission Fluid Pressure Control Solenoid Control Low
37 DK GRN/WHT Fuel Pump relay Control
38 Not used
39 RED/BLK Transmission Fluid Pressure Control Solenoid Control High
40 TAN/BLK TORQUE DELIVERED
41 PPL HO2S Signal High Bank 2 Sensor 2
42 PPL/WHT HO2S Signal High Bank 1 Sensor 2
43 Not used
44 GRY FUEL LEVEL 5 VOLT FEED
45 GRY OIL PRESSURE 5 VOLT REF
46 PPL HO2S Signal High Bank 2 Sensor 1
47 PPL/WHT HO2S Signal High Bank 1 Sensor 1
48 LT GRN MAP Sensor Signal
49 YEL ECT Sensor Signal
50 Not Used
51 Not Used
52 Not used
53 TAN/WHT OIL PRESSURE SIGNAL
54 Not used
55 Not used
56 Not used
57 Not used
58 DK GRN/WHT SERIAL DATA CLASS 2
59 Not Used
60 BLK/WHT PCM Ground
61 ORN PCM Battery Feed
62 LT GRN Crankshaft Position Sensor B+ Supply
63 Not used
64 GRY MAP Sensor 5.0 Volt Reference
65 Not used
66 GRY A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor 5.0 Volt Reference
67 Not used
68 LT BLU Knock Sensor (KS) Rear
69 DK BLU Knock Sensor (KS) Front
70 PNK/BLK Camshaft Position Sensor ground
71 TAN TAC MODULE SERIAL DATA
72 ORN/BLK TAC MODULE SERIAL DATA
73 Not used
74 Not used
75 Not used
76 BRN Oil Level Sensor Signal
77 RED GEN L TERMINAL
78 Not used
79 Not used
80 Not used


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#4229 - 11/06/18 12:12 PM Re: C5 DEAD with electrical issues [Re: STU36R]  
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After having some of the "reduced engine" problems my self and looking at his C DTC's I hope he also looked at his TAC module (DTC P1518). There are a few test you can make with a VOM to see if it is getting and sending proper voltage but it can cause the conditions he is experiencing. In my case it was replacing the module among a few other unrelated problems (SWPS)


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