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#4677 - 03/01/20 09:46 AM
Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades
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Clarence
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Hi folks, here's my situation. I'm reviving my C4 project I never finished, but need a little help figuring out what direction to go. I was a bit more impulsive and didn't fully think things through so now I'd like to get it back up and running smoothly since the last time I drove it, it felt very rough and I know things are very mismatched. So here's what I have ... Stock LT1 block / heads / cam ported LT4 intake headers / no resonator / no mufflers Superchip / tune 700R4 3600 stall converter Dana 36 / 3.54 gear I'd like to drive this regularly on the street so please correct me but here's what i'm thinking. The converter likely needs to go, keep the intake, improve the heads / cam combo, mufflers, tune. I'm stuck on what to do with the heads and cam. I'd like to keep the head cost at around $2k, so... Option 1: having a local shop do the port and polish, everything I've found still points to the ported LT1s performing very well, but I would still need all new hardware. Option 2: something like these from AFR AFR 210cc LT4 Heads I'm leaning this way since these are assembled and ported. As far as the cam I have no idea yet but I'd like it to get closer to 400hp Thoughts?
Clarence 92 Blk/Red Coupe open air lid - TB bypass - 160 stat - Ported LT1 Intake - SuperChip Eprom - Headman headers - no resonator - no mufflers - no cats - 3.54 Rear
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#4678 - 03/01/20 11:26 AM
Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades
[Re: Clarence]
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teamzr1
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Hi folks, here's my situation. I'm reviving my C4 project I never finished, but need a little help figuring out what direction to go. I was a bit more impulsive and didn't fully think things through so now I'd like to get it back up and running smoothly since the last time I drove it, it felt very rough and I know things are very mismatched. So here's what I have ... Stock LT1 block / heads / cam ported LT4 intake headers / no resonator / no mufflers Superchip / tune 700R4 3600 stall converter Dana 36 / 3.54 gear I'd like to drive this regularly on the street so please correct me but here's what i'm thinking. The converter likely needs to go, keep the intake, improve the heads / cam combo, mufflers, tune. I'm stuck on what to do with the heads and cam. I'd like to keep the head cost at around $2k, so... Option 1: having a local shop do the port and polish, everything I've found still points to the ported LT1s performing very well, but I would still need all new hardware. Option 2: something like these from AFR AFR 210cc LT4 Heads I'm leaning this way since these are assembled and ported. As far as the cam I have no idea yet but I'd like it to get closer to 400hp Thoughts? Before putting out the money for higher cost parts I'd suggest baseline what you do have and assure engine is functioning and performing to it's best ability ? What year is the C4 How many miles on the power and drivetrains What changes have been made as to age as to fuel injectors, MAF, MAP, O2 sensors, etc Have you checked the fuel rail pressure, is it working correctly to about 43 PSI at low end and a bit higher at WOT What elevation and type of fuel used Not sure the convertor has to be changed or if the tune you have is set for that stall rate Does engine have a MAF or not then it is speed density tuned and maybe wrong for elevation, weather, fuel type I'd suggest using a OBD-I scanner is used to do testruns collecting feedback sensor data, if not having a laptop scanner I can suggest one that is cheap in cost but does record while driving which later can be analyzed, if you cannot do that I sell a service to analyze that data and give you a report and maybe suggest changes needed Assure the tune you have is correct for the makeup of engine and tranny. I asked about model year as that tells me if engine has a ECM which has calibration in a E-prom or uses a PCM and flash memory (94-96) The scanner data would point to if tune is correct or not I do custom tuning and could be done either via emails or by mail If keeping stock CAM you might consider with a higher ratio rockers, could be the stock fuel injectors are a bit too small ( why elevation matters) and/or they need cleaning or using a adjustable fuel regulator to change the rail pressure up a bit would cause the injectors to flow more What coolant T-stat using, maybe best going with like a 170 deg one and then tuning fans to come on sooner
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#4679 - 03/01/20 02:22 PM
Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades
[Re: teamzr1]
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Clarence
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Thanks for the quick response and all the input!
What year is the C4 - 92 How many miles on the power and drivetrains - Just under 70k the 3.54 ring and pinon has only about 5k on it What changes have been made as to age as to fuel injectors, MAF, MAP, O2 sensors, etc - These are all stock, original parts except the O2s which were replaced at the same time and have about 5k miles on them Have you checked the fuel rail pressure, is it working correctly to about 43 PSI at low end and a bit higher at WOT - not sure about the pressure yet, I'm pulling it out of storage at the moment and I'll need to get a new battery and go through things for a fresh start What elevation and type of fuel used - we're between 5k - 6k throughout town, 91 octane is what we get for premium Not sure the convertor has to be changed or if the tune you have is set for that stall rate - [/b][b] it was on the spec sheet for this chip, but I have never scanned it myself to confirm, and it is the removable EEPROM Does engine have a MAF or not then it is speed density tuned and maybe wrong for elevation, weather, fuel type - Yes, the stock MAF
I may have access to an OBD1 scanner, so I will confirm and see about getting a scan done.
The T-stat is a 180 deg
Clarence 92 Blk/Red Coupe open air lid - TB bypass - 160 stat - Ported LT1 Intake - SuperChip Eprom - Headman headers - no resonator - no mufflers - no cats - 3.54 Rear
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#4680 - 03/01/20 02:50 PM
Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades
[Re: Clarence]
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teamzr1
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At 5-6K feet above elevation, costs about 40 plus flywheel HP :-( With less air/density really takes a toll on engine output.
At the least I would look at getting your OBD-I scanner recording with a good test drive to then see if and what maybe needing adjustment, If the fuel injectors are running below 80% duty cycle at WOT and if needing to send them out for cleaning, flow matched and increase their flow. If need be I can send you a URL of a vendor that does that Clean MAF and throttlebody and if setting a long time if fuel in tank is still OK
For 1992 Corvette using a 256K E-prom what can be touched and changed
ECM Switch Parameters
Auto Trans (TCC = O, Manual = X) C.A.R.S. Select (X = Enabled) Reverse Inhibit (X = Enabled) VATS Select (X = Enabled) Data Stream Fuel Enable (X = Enabled) No Distributor Ref Pulses (Error 12) Left O2 Sensor Diagnostic (Error 13) ECT Sensor High Diag. (Error 14) ECT Sensor Low Diag. (Error 15) Low Res Ref Pulse Diag. (Error 16) TPS High Diagnostic (Error 21) TPS Low Diagnostic (Error 22) MAT Sensor Low Diag. (Error 23) VSS Diagnostic (Error 24) MAT Sensor High Diag. (Error 25) QDM #1 Diagnostic (Error 26) QDM #2 Diagnostic (Error 27) QDM #3 Diagnostic (Error 28) EGR Diagnostic (Error 32) MAP High Diagnostic (Error 33) MAP Low Diagnostic (Error 34) High Res Ref Pulse Diag, (Error 36) EST Open Diagnostic (Error 41) EST Grounded Diagnostic (Error 42) Knock Diagnostic (Error 43) Left O2 Sensor Lean Diag (Error 44) Left O2 Sensor Rich Diag (Error 45) VATS Diagnostic (Error 46) EPROM Diagnostic (Error 51) Oil Temp Sensor Low (Error 52) System Voltage Diagnostic (Error 53) Fuel Lean Diagnostic (Error 55) C.V. IV A/C Compressor Diag. (Error 61) Oil Temp Sensor High (Error 62) Right O2 Sensor Diagnostic (Error 63) Right O2 Sensor Lean Diag. (Error 64) Right O2 Sensor Rich Diag. (Error 65) A/C Press. Sensor Fail (Error 66) A/C Press. Sensor Degraded (Error 67) A/C Relay Shorted (Error 68) A/C Clutch Circuit Open (Error 69) A/C Evap. Temp. Sensor Fail (Error 71) Gear Switch Diagnostic (Error 72) ECM Constants Fuel Cutoff Speed Fuel Resume (Speed) Fuel Cutoff, 1st Gear (Eng Speed) Fuel Cutoff 2nd Gear (Eng Speed) Fuel Cutoff, 3rd -> 6th Gear (Eng. Spd) Fuel Resume, 1st Gear (Eng Speed) Fuel Resume, 2nd Gear (Eng Speed) Fuel Resume, 3rd -> 6th Gear (Eng Spd) Fan 1 On Coolant Temp, Low MPH Fan 1 On Coolant Temp, High MPH Fan 2 On Coolant Temp, Low MPH Fan 2 On Coolant Temp, High MPH Fan Low MPH Hysteresis Fan High MPH Hysteresis Fan Low/High MPH Threshold Injector Flow Rate Display Injector Flow Rate Cylinder Volume Maximum Spark Advance Knock Retard Enable RPM Knock Retard Enable Speed Knock Retard Enable Coolant Temp. Low Octane ESC Retard Enable MAP Low Oct. ESC Retard Disable Delta MAP Low Oct ESC Retard Enable Knock Retard Low Oct ESC Retard Increase Step Size Low Oct ESC Retard Decrease Step Size Throt. Follow Extend Decay Timer (Drive) Throt. Follow Extend Decay Timer (P/N) Throt Follower Extend Decay Timer Adder Throttle Follower Slope Gain Throttle Follower Max. Steps EGR Off, (TPS) EGR On, (TPS) EGR Low RPM Window, Off RPM EGR Low RPM Window, On RPM EGR High RPM Window, Off RPM EGR High RPM Window, On RPM EGR Low MAP Window, Off (MAP) EGR Low MAP Window, On (MAP) EGR High MAP Window, Off (MAP) EGR High MAP Window, On (MAP) EGR On, Vehicle Speed EGR Off, Vehicle Speed EGR Enable Cool. Temp. Threshold Min. Cool. Temp. for Closed Loop Min Cool Temp for Closed Loop, Cold MAT Cool Thresh For HighTemp PE TPS Thresh. MAP Threshold To Enable Power Enrichment Air Injector Enable Cool Temp Threshold Minimum BLM Value Maximum BLM Value Min Coolant Temp for BLM Update Max Coolant Temp for BLM Update Min MAP for BLM Update Minimum Integrator Value Maximum Integrator Value Stoichiometric AFR Fast O2 Rich/Lean Threshold Hysteresis Cold Closed Loop Timer Threshold Hot Closed Loop Timer Threshold Minimum Injector Pulse Width Default Injector Pulse Width Accel Enrich TPS Filter Coefficient Min. Async Pulse Width Max. Async Pulse Width Idle RPM Adder, A/C On IAC Default Keep Alive Min Position IAC Minimum Keep Alive Min Position IAC Maximum Keep Alive Min Position DFCO Enable RPM Threshold DFCO Disable RPM Threshold DFCO Enable MAP Threshold DFCO Disable MAP Threshold DFCO Disable RPM Decrease Threshold DFCO Enable Coolant Temp. Threshold DFCO Enable TPS Threshold Hysteresis DFCO Enable MPH Threshold Baro Update RPM Threshold Canister Purge Enable MAP Threshold Canister Purge Enable TPS Threshold CAT Protect Enable Coolant Temp. TCC Lock Speed (Low Gears) TCC Unlock Speed (Low Gears) TCC Lock Speed (High Gear) TCC Unlock Speed (High Gears) TCC Unlock Prevention Speed Threshold Road Speed Constant Instrument Panel VSS Pulse Divisor C.A.R.S. Enable Coolant Temp. Threshold Minimum 1st Gear RPM/Vss Ratio Minimum 4th Gear RPM/Vss Ratio Maximum 4th Gear RPM/Vss Ratio PROM ID Tables ECM Switch Table ECM Constant Table Main Spark Advance Vs RPM Vs. Load Main Spark Advance Vs RPM Vs. Load (EXT) Coolant Temp. Compensation Spark Vs. Load EGR Spark Correction Vs RPM Vs Vacuum Start Up Spark Advance Vs. Coolant Temp. Closed TPS Spark Advance Vs. RPM Traction Control Spark Retard Vs. RPM Max Knock Retard in Power Enrich Vs. RPM Max Knock Retard Vs. MAP Knock Retard Gain Factor Vs. RPM Knock Retard Recovery Factor Vs. RPM Low Octane ESC Base Retard Vs. RPM Low Octane ESC Retard Multipier Vs. RPM Low Octane ESC Retard Multipier Vs. MAP Volumetric Efficiency Vs. RPM Vs. MAP Volumetric Efficiency Vs. RPM Vs. MAP (EXT) Injector PW Correction Vs. Battery Voltage Low Pulse Width Injector Offset Adder Vs. BPW TPS Threshold Vs. RPM For Power Enrich. TPS Threshold Vs. RPM For PE, (Hi Cool) PE % Change to Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. Coolant Temp. PE % Change to Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. RPM Open Loop %Change to Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. Cool. Temp Open Loop %Change To Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. MAP StartUp Enrichment Vs. Coolant Temp. Accel. Enrich. Vs. Differential TPS (Mult) Accel. Enrich. Vs. Coolant Temp. (Mult.) Accel Enrich Delta TPS PW Factor Vs Async Pulse Accel Enrich Delta MAP PW Multiplier Vs. Delta MAP Accel Enrich Delta MAP PW Mult. Vs. Coolant Temp. Accel Enrich Delta MAP PW Decay Factor Vs. Coolant Accel Enrich Delta MAP Enable Threshold Vs TPS DFCO Enable TPS Threshold Vs. RPM BLM Cell RPM Boundaries BLM Cell MAP Boundaries Left Fast O2 Rich/Lean Threshold Vs. Air Flow Right Fast O2 Rich/Lean Threshold Vs. Air Flow Left Slow O2 Rich/Lean Thresholds Vs. Air Flow Right Slow O2 Rich/Lean Thresholds Vs. Air Flow Closed Loop Fuel Timer Vs Coolant Temp. MAT Compensation Counts Vs. MAT Inv. MAT Term Lookup Delta Multiplier Vs Airflow Crank Fuel Pulse Width Vs. Coolant Temp. Crank Fuel PW Multiplier Vs. Ref. Pulses (1-16) Crank Fuel PW Multiplier Vs. Ref. Pulses (>17) Crank Fuel Delivery Delay Vs. MAT Target Idle RPM Vs. Coolant Temp. (In Drive) Target Idle RPM Vs. Coolant Temp. (In P/N) IAC Warm Park Position Vs Coolant Temp. Idle Speed Timeout IAC Steps Vs. Coolant Temp. Idle Spark Retard Vs. Idle Speed Error Idle Spark Advance Vs. Idle Speed Error TCC Lock/Unlock %TPS Vs. Speed (Low Gears) TCC Lock/Unlock %TPS Vs. Speed (High Gears)
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#4734 - 05/05/20 11:31 AM
Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades
[Re: Clarence]
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Clarence
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Wazer
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New Mexico, USA
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Glad i took your advice, with things having sat as long as they did I spent way more getting this thing ready to start than I had planned. Almost there though, flushed the block, all the reservoirs / radiator, all new fluids, drained and cleaned the fuel tank, new pump, new water pump, new oil, air, fuel, trans filters, O2 sensors, coolant temp sensor, and a bunch of hoses. mostly waiting on a new serp belt, and replacement connectors for the O2 sensors, headers melted the ones on there a bit.
Appreciate the advice!
Clarence 92 Blk/Red Coupe open air lid - TB bypass - 160 stat - Ported LT1 Intake - SuperChip Eprom - Headman headers - no resonator - no mufflers - no cats - 3.54 Rear
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