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#4677 - 03/01/20 10:46 AM Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades  
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Hi folks, here's my situation. I'm reviving my C4 project I never finished, but need a little help figuring out what direction to go. I was a bit more impulsive and didn't fully think things through so now I'd like to get it back up and running smoothly since the last time I drove it, it felt very rough and I know things are very mismatched. So here's what I have ...

Stock LT1 block / heads / cam
ported LT4 intake
headers / no resonator / no mufflers
Superchip / tune
700R4
3600 stall converter
Dana 36 / 3.54 gear

I'd like to drive this regularly on the street so please correct me but here's what i'm thinking. The converter likely needs to go, keep the intake, improve the heads / cam combo, mufflers, tune.

I'm stuck on what to do with the heads and cam. I'd like to keep the head cost at around $2k, so...

Option 1: having a local shop do the port and polish, everything I've found still points to the ported LT1s performing very well, but I would still need all new hardware.

Option 2: something like these from AFR AFR 210cc LT4 Heads I'm leaning this way since these are assembled and ported.

As far as the cam I have no idea yet but I'd like it to get closer to 400hp

Thoughts?


Clarence 92 Blk/Red Coupe
open air lid - TB bypass - 160 stat - Ported LT1 Intake - SuperChip Eprom - Headman headers - no resonator - no mufflers - no cats - 3.54 Rear
#4678 - 03/01/20 12:26 PM Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades [Re: Clarence]  
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Originally Posted by Clarence
Hi folks, here's my situation. I'm reviving my C4 project I never finished, but need a little help figuring out what direction to go. I was a bit more impulsive and didn't fully think things through so now I'd like to get it back up and running smoothly since the last time I drove it, it felt very rough and I know things are very mismatched. So here's what I have ...

Stock LT1 block / heads / cam
ported LT4 intake
headers / no resonator / no mufflers
Superchip / tune
700R4
3600 stall converter
Dana 36 / 3.54 gear

I'd like to drive this regularly on the street so please correct me but here's what i'm thinking. The converter likely needs to go, keep the intake, improve the heads / cam combo, mufflers, tune.

I'm stuck on what to do with the heads and cam. I'd like to keep the head cost at around $2k, so...

Option 1: having a local shop do the port and polish, everything I've found still points to the ported LT1s performing very well, but I would still need all new hardware.

Option 2: something like these from AFR AFR 210cc LT4 Heads I'm leaning this way since these are assembled and ported.

As far as the cam I have no idea yet but I'd like it to get closer to 400hp

Thoughts?



Before putting out the money for higher cost parts I'd suggest baseline what you do have and assure engine is functioning and performing to it's
best ability ?

What year is the C4
How many miles on the power and drivetrains
What changes have been made as to age as to fuel injectors, MAF, MAP, O2 sensors, etc
Have you checked the fuel rail pressure, is it working correctly to about 43 PSI at low end and a bit higher at WOT
What elevation and type of fuel used
Not sure the convertor has to be changed or if the tune you have is set for that stall rate
Does engine have a MAF or not then it is speed density tuned and maybe wrong for elevation, weather, fuel type


I'd suggest using a OBD-I scanner is used to do testruns collecting feedback sensor data, if not having a laptop scanner I can suggest one
that is cheap in cost but does record while driving which later can be analyzed, if you cannot do that I sell a service to analyze that data
and give you a report and maybe suggest changes needed

Assure the tune you have is correct for the makeup of engine and tranny. I asked about model year as that tells me if engine has a ECM
which has calibration in a E-prom or uses a PCM and flash memory (94-96)

The scanner data would point to if tune is correct or not

I do custom tuning and could be done either via emails or by mail

If keeping stock CAM you might consider with a higher ratio rockers, could be the stock fuel injectors are a bit too small ( why elevation matters)
and/or they need cleaning or using a adjustable fuel regulator to change the rail pressure up a bit would cause the injectors to flow more

What coolant T-stat using, maybe best going with like a 170 deg one and then tuning fans to come on sooner


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#4679 - 03/01/20 03:22 PM Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades [Re: teamzr1]  
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Thanks for the quick response and all the input!

What year is the C4 - 92
How many miles on the power and drivetrains - Just under 70k the 3.54 ring and pinon has only about 5k on it
What changes have been made as to age as to fuel injectors, MAF, MAP, O2 sensors, etc - These are all stock, original parts except the O2s which were replaced at the same time and have about 5k miles on them
Have you checked the fuel rail pressure, is it working correctly to about 43 PSI at low end and a bit higher at WOT - not sure about the pressure yet, I'm pulling it out of storage at the moment and I'll need to get a new battery and go through things for a fresh start
What elevation and type of fuel used - we're between 5k - 6k throughout town, 91 octane is what we get for premium
Not sure the convertor has to be changed or if the tune you have is set for that stall rate - [/b][b] it was on the spec sheet for this chip, but I have never scanned it myself to confirm, and it is the removable EEPROM
Does engine have a MAF or not then it is speed density tuned and maybe wrong for elevation, weather, fuel type - Yes, the stock MAF

I may have access to an OBD1 scanner, so I will confirm and see about getting a scan done.

The T-stat is a 180 deg


Clarence 92 Blk/Red Coupe
open air lid - TB bypass - 160 stat - Ported LT1 Intake - SuperChip Eprom - Headman headers - no resonator - no mufflers - no cats - 3.54 Rear
#4680 - 03/01/20 03:50 PM Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades [Re: Clarence]  
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At 5-6K feet above elevation, costs about 40 plus flywheel HP :-(
With less air/density really takes a toll on engine output.

At the least I would look at getting your OBD-I scanner recording with a good test drive to then see
if and what maybe needing adjustment,
If the fuel injectors are running below 80% duty cycle at WOT and if needing to send them out for cleaning, flow matched
and increase their flow.
If need be I can send you a URL of a vendor that does that
Clean MAF and throttlebody and if setting a long time if fuel in tank is still OK

For 1992 Corvette using a 256K E-prom what can be touched and changed

ECM Switch Parameters

Auto Trans (TCC = O, Manual = X)
C.A.R.S. Select (X = Enabled)
Reverse Inhibit (X = Enabled)
VATS Select (X = Enabled)
Data Stream Fuel Enable (X = Enabled)
No Distributor Ref Pulses (Error 12)
Left O2 Sensor Diagnostic (Error 13)
ECT Sensor High Diag. (Error 14)
ECT Sensor Low Diag. (Error 15)
Low Res Ref Pulse Diag. (Error 16)
TPS High Diagnostic (Error 21)
TPS Low Diagnostic (Error 22)
MAT Sensor Low Diag. (Error 23)
VSS Diagnostic (Error 24)
MAT Sensor High Diag. (Error 25)
QDM #1 Diagnostic (Error 26)
QDM #2 Diagnostic (Error 27)
QDM #3 Diagnostic (Error 28)
EGR Diagnostic (Error 32)
MAP High Diagnostic (Error 33)
MAP Low Diagnostic (Error 34)
High Res Ref Pulse Diag, (Error 36)
EST Open Diagnostic (Error 41)
EST Grounded Diagnostic (Error 42)
Knock Diagnostic (Error 43)
Left O2 Sensor Lean Diag (Error 44)
Left O2 Sensor Rich Diag (Error 45)
VATS Diagnostic (Error 46)
EPROM Diagnostic (Error 51)
Oil Temp Sensor Low (Error 52)
System Voltage Diagnostic (Error 53)
Fuel Lean Diagnostic (Error 55)
C.V. IV A/C Compressor Diag. (Error 61)
Oil Temp Sensor High (Error 62)
Right O2 Sensor Diagnostic (Error 63)
Right O2 Sensor Lean Diag. (Error 64)
Right O2 Sensor Rich Diag. (Error 65)
A/C Press. Sensor Fail (Error 66)
A/C Press. Sensor Degraded (Error 67)
A/C Relay Shorted (Error 68)
A/C Clutch Circuit Open (Error 69)
A/C Evap. Temp. Sensor Fail (Error 71)
Gear Switch Diagnostic (Error 72)
ECM Constants
Fuel Cutoff Speed
Fuel Resume (Speed)
Fuel Cutoff, 1st Gear (Eng Speed)
Fuel Cutoff 2nd Gear (Eng Speed)
Fuel Cutoff, 3rd -> 6th Gear (Eng. Spd)
Fuel Resume, 1st Gear (Eng Speed)
Fuel Resume, 2nd Gear (Eng Speed)
Fuel Resume, 3rd -> 6th Gear (Eng Spd)
Fan 1 On Coolant Temp, Low MPH
Fan 1 On Coolant Temp, High MPH
Fan 2 On Coolant Temp, Low MPH
Fan 2 On Coolant Temp, High MPH
Fan Low MPH Hysteresis
Fan High MPH Hysteresis
Fan Low/High MPH Threshold
Injector Flow Rate
Display Injector Flow Rate
Cylinder Volume
Maximum Spark Advance
Knock Retard Enable RPM
Knock Retard Enable Speed
Knock Retard Enable Coolant Temp.
Low Octane ESC Retard Enable MAP
Low Oct. ESC Retard Disable Delta MAP
Low Oct ESC Retard Enable Knock Retard
Low Oct ESC Retard Increase Step Size
Low Oct ESC Retard Decrease Step Size
Throt. Follow Extend Decay Timer (Drive)
Throt. Follow Extend Decay Timer (P/N)
Throt Follower Extend Decay Timer Adder
Throttle Follower Slope Gain
Throttle Follower Max. Steps
EGR Off, (TPS)
EGR On, (TPS)
EGR Low RPM Window, Off RPM
EGR Low RPM Window, On RPM
EGR High RPM Window, Off RPM
EGR High RPM Window, On RPM
EGR Low MAP Window, Off (MAP)
EGR Low MAP Window, On (MAP)
EGR High MAP Window, Off (MAP)
EGR High MAP Window, On (MAP)
EGR On, Vehicle Speed
EGR Off, Vehicle Speed
EGR Enable Cool. Temp. Threshold
Min. Cool. Temp. for Closed Loop
Min Cool Temp for Closed Loop, Cold MAT
Cool Thresh For HighTemp PE TPS Thresh.
MAP Threshold To Enable Power Enrichment
Air Injector Enable Cool Temp Threshold
Minimum BLM Value
Maximum BLM Value
Min Coolant Temp for BLM Update
Max Coolant Temp for BLM Update
Min MAP for BLM Update
Minimum Integrator Value
Maximum Integrator Value
Stoichiometric AFR
Fast O2 Rich/Lean Threshold Hysteresis
Cold Closed Loop Timer Threshold
Hot Closed Loop Timer Threshold
Minimum Injector Pulse Width
Default Injector Pulse Width
Accel Enrich TPS Filter Coefficient
Min. Async Pulse Width
Max. Async Pulse Width
Idle RPM Adder, A/C On
IAC Default Keep Alive Min Position
IAC Minimum Keep Alive Min Position
IAC Maximum Keep Alive Min Position
DFCO Enable RPM Threshold
DFCO Disable RPM Threshold
DFCO Enable MAP Threshold
DFCO Disable MAP Threshold
DFCO Disable RPM Decrease Threshold
DFCO Enable Coolant Temp. Threshold
DFCO Enable TPS Threshold Hysteresis
DFCO Enable MPH Threshold
Baro Update RPM Threshold
Canister Purge Enable MAP Threshold
Canister Purge Enable TPS Threshold
CAT Protect Enable Coolant Temp.
TCC Lock Speed (Low Gears)
TCC Unlock Speed (Low Gears)
TCC Lock Speed (High Gear)
TCC Unlock Speed (High Gears)
TCC Unlock Prevention Speed Threshold
Road Speed Constant
Instrument Panel VSS Pulse Divisor
C.A.R.S. Enable Coolant Temp. Threshold
Minimum 1st Gear RPM/Vss Ratio
Minimum 4th Gear RPM/Vss Ratio
Maximum 4th Gear RPM/Vss Ratio
PROM ID
Tables
ECM Switch Table
ECM Constant Table
Main Spark Advance Vs RPM Vs. Load
Main Spark Advance Vs RPM Vs. Load (EXT)
Coolant Temp. Compensation Spark Vs. Load
EGR Spark Correction Vs RPM Vs Vacuum
Start Up Spark Advance Vs. Coolant Temp.
Closed TPS Spark Advance Vs. RPM
Traction Control Spark Retard Vs. RPM
Max Knock Retard in Power Enrich Vs. RPM
Max Knock Retard Vs. MAP
Knock Retard Gain Factor Vs. RPM
Knock Retard Recovery Factor Vs. RPM
Low Octane ESC Base Retard Vs. RPM
Low Octane ESC Retard Multipier Vs. RPM
Low Octane ESC Retard Multipier Vs. MAP
Volumetric Efficiency Vs. RPM Vs. MAP
Volumetric Efficiency Vs. RPM Vs. MAP (EXT)
Injector PW Correction Vs. Battery Voltage
Low Pulse Width Injector Offset Adder Vs. BPW
TPS Threshold Vs. RPM For Power Enrich.
TPS Threshold Vs. RPM For PE, (Hi Cool)
PE % Change to Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. Coolant Temp.
PE % Change to Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. RPM
Open Loop %Change to Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. Cool. Temp
Open Loop %Change To Fuel/Air Ratio Vs. MAP
StartUp Enrichment Vs. Coolant Temp.
Accel. Enrich. Vs. Differential TPS (Mult)
Accel. Enrich. Vs. Coolant Temp. (Mult.)
Accel Enrich Delta TPS PW Factor Vs Async Pulse
Accel Enrich Delta MAP PW Multiplier Vs. Delta MAP
Accel Enrich Delta MAP PW Mult. Vs. Coolant Temp.
Accel Enrich Delta MAP PW Decay Factor Vs. Coolant
Accel Enrich Delta MAP Enable Threshold Vs TPS
DFCO Enable TPS Threshold Vs. RPM
BLM Cell RPM Boundaries
BLM Cell MAP Boundaries
Left Fast O2 Rich/Lean Threshold Vs. Air Flow
Right Fast O2 Rich/Lean Threshold Vs. Air Flow
Left Slow O2 Rich/Lean Thresholds Vs. Air Flow
Right Slow O2 Rich/Lean Thresholds Vs. Air Flow
Closed Loop Fuel Timer Vs Coolant Temp.
MAT Compensation Counts Vs. MAT
Inv. MAT Term Lookup Delta Multiplier Vs Airflow
Crank Fuel Pulse Width Vs. Coolant Temp.
Crank Fuel PW Multiplier Vs. Ref. Pulses (1-16)
Crank Fuel PW Multiplier Vs. Ref. Pulses (>17)
Crank Fuel Delivery Delay Vs. MAT
Target Idle RPM Vs. Coolant Temp. (In Drive)
Target Idle RPM Vs. Coolant Temp. (In P/N)
IAC Warm Park Position Vs Coolant Temp.
Idle Speed Timeout IAC Steps Vs. Coolant Temp.
Idle Spark Retard Vs. Idle Speed Error
Idle Spark Advance Vs. Idle Speed Error
TCC Lock/Unlock %TPS Vs. Speed (Low Gears)
TCC Lock/Unlock %TPS Vs. Speed (High Gears)


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#4734 - 05/05/20 12:31 PM Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades [Re: Clarence]  
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Glad i took your advice, with things having sat as long as they did I spent way more getting this thing ready to start than I had planned. Almost there though, flushed the block, all the reservoirs / radiator, all new fluids, drained and cleaned the fuel tank, new pump, new water pump, new oil, air, fuel, trans filters, O2 sensors, coolant temp sensor, and a bunch of hoses. mostly waiting on a new serp belt, and replacement connectors for the O2 sensors, headers melted the ones on there a bit.

Appreciate the advice!


Clarence 92 Blk/Red Coupe
open air lid - TB bypass - 160 stat - Ported LT1 Intake - SuperChip Eprom - Headman headers - no resonator - no mufflers - no cats - 3.54 Rear
#4735 - 05/05/20 07:49 PM Re: Need advice - LT1/4 upgrades [Re: Clarence]  
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Hi Clarence

Sounds like you have a good plan in all the maintenance and parts updates

Good you are replacing the O2s with melted wiring from heat of headers as that would effect how they report
You need to assure new ones are away from that high heat and maybe thermal wrap them


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